@ Ding - Good points. And on your last question, I'll take "the slave" for $1,000. Thanks. LOL
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FDS says - "No need to check our work. Besides, it will only make God angry."
by Crisis of Conscience inthough i no longer believe the fds is indeed appointed by god, i guess because of what has been taught to me all these years through the wtbts, i still make an effort to try and look at both sides.
and then i come across this number below, which is how i arrived at my title for this thread.
***w81 2/15 p.19 do we need help to understand the bible?***.
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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LOL @ james_woods! I was thinking the same thing. What happened to yoga N.drew?
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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The real bible??
As was already pointed out earlier in this thread by another poster, unless you read the Bible, there is no other source to know about God/Christ.
So how can most believers, per your comment, look at the "unreal" Bible available to all, since they don't have your copy/version, and say they know Christ?
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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N. Drew - I want to apologize if you read my comment at first one way and then it looks different. I'm posting from a smart phone and it's a pain in the butt to reread my comment unless I post it first. Then I edit it. Maybe I need an iPad? LOL
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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N.drew - My buffet comment refers to what people are doing in their belief of the Bible. How do believers have a relationship with Christ but disagree on parts of the Bible?
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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Also N.drew, you said the Bible, or the word, or whatever you'd like to call it (I don't mean that disrespectfully), can't be perfect.
Right. So let me get this straight. I'm not supposed to follow imperfect men because they eff up people's lives and don't know the truth. Check.
But I'm supposed to learn about and follow Christ in a truthful way from an imperfect source and accept it as truth about him because it sounds right to me? Seems rather strange.
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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N.drew - And if you had read my post carefully, you would have seen that I didn't accuse you of being wrong in your view of the Bible.
But two people, or dare I say two Christian people, arriving at two different conclusions of what is truth based on the Bible, sounds like dissent to me.
As we often put on the JWs, you can't have two truths. Therefore, two believers can't have a disagreeing point of view and still both be right. No double standard is acceptable in either group, in my opinion.
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: Edited - The 1st part of this post didn't even make sense to me. LOL
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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N.drew, I love buffets too! Pick what you want and avoid the rest! Now there's a great way to learn the "truth".
If you don't believe something in the Bible and I do, I can argue and be right because I am a child of God.
Oh yes, and my fault - if I would ONLY accept the guide.
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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Just to add to my comment above, I personally find that the arguments/comments made by the atheists here seem more convincing to me than a belief in.... (insert God, Jesus, Bible, religion, etc.) I don't completely dismiss all the believers thoughts, I just can't seem to connect any longer.
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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I read more on this forum than I can, or care to, comment on. But I realize now for a fact that I can no longer classify myself as a believer.
Not targeting anyone or any comment in specific here on this thread, but I've seen it expressed by some believers that certain parts of the Bible can not be trusted. If that's the case, who decides what can be trusted, and what should be disagreed with?
The question is off topic, I know. I just can't wrap my head around getting to know Christ when most ways other than the Bible seem to be assumed. And we all know what happens when you assume........?
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